The Behaviour Speak Podcast
Episodes

Saturday Mar 18, 2023
Saturday Mar 18, 2023
In Episode 75, Ben has the great honour of chatting with Dr. Celeste Malone, President of the National Association School Psychologists (NASP). This conversation dives into Dr. Malone's research in promoting equity and inclusion for racial and ethnic minoritized youth, cultural load in standardized assessments, the parallels between school psychology and behaviour analysis, creating safe professional spaces for Black school psychologists and more.
Contact:
Dr. Celeste Malone
https://profiles.howard.edu/celeste-malone
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 1.5 Ethics
IBAO: 1.5 Cultural/Ethics
QABA: 1.5 Ethics
Links:
Harlem Renaissance
https://www.history.com/topics/roaring-twenties/harlem-renaissance
Harlem Hospital
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlem_Hospital_Center
Abyssinian Baptist Church
https://abyssinian.org
The Schomburg Center For Research in Black Culture
https://www.nypl.org/locations/schomburg
Adam Clayton Powell Jr. Boulevard
https://untappedcities.com/2015/11/30/history-of-nyc-streets-adam-clayton-powell-jr-boulevard-seventh-avenue-in-harlem
National Association for School Psychologists
https://www.nasponline.org
Dr. Deborah Peek Crocket
https://www.nasponline.org/membership-and-community/nasp-awards-scholarships-and-grants/past-award-recipients/2021-award-recipients/nasp-2021-lifetime-achievement-award-winner-nasp-2021-general-session-remarks
School Psyc Sistahs
https://www.facebook.com/groups/schoolpsychsistahs
Black School Psychs International
https://www.facebook.com/groups/BlackSchoolPsychs
Bowie State University School Psychology
https://bowiestate.edu/academics/colleges/college-of-education/departments/counseling/frequently-asked-questions/school-psychology.php
Howard University School Psychology
https://gs.howard.edu/school-psychology-phd
Dr. Scott Graves
https://ehe.osu.edu/educational-studies/directory?id=graves.388
The Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Referenced:
Nasiah Cirincione-Ulezi
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-67-humilty-compassion-and-reflection-with-dr-nasiah-cirincione-ulezi-and-drjonathan-tarbox
Elizabeth Hughes-Fong
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-53-cultural-competence-in-behaviour-analysis-how-far-have-we-come-with-dr-elizabeth-hughes-fong
Research Referenced:
Malone, C. M., Wycoff, K., & Turner, E. A. (2022). Applying a MTSS framework to address racism and promote mental health for racial/ethnic minoritized youth. Psychology in the Schools, 59, 2438– 2452. https://doi.org/10.1002/pits.22606
Council of National Psychological Associations for the Advancement of Ethnic Minority Interests. (2016). Testing and assessment with persons & communities of color. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association. Retrieved from https://www.apa.org/pi/oema
Malone, CM, Ishmail, KZ. (2020). A snapshot of multicultural training in school psychology. Psychology in the Schools, 57, 1022-1039. https://doi.org/10.1002/pits.22392
McCubbin, L. D., Alex, R. M., Bergkamp, J., Malone, C. M., Wang, C. D. C., & Reynolds, A. L. (2023). Returning the colonizers gaze: Critiquing Whiteness in our training programs. Training and Education in Professional Psychology, 17(1), 14–21. https://doi.org/10.1037/tep0000436

Friday Feb 17, 2023
Friday Feb 17, 2023
In Episode 68, Ben chats with Dr. Táhcita Medrado Mizael. Dr. Mizael is a behaviour analytic researcher based in São Paulo, Brasil. As a Black, Autistic woman, and member of the LGBTQA2S+ community, she brings a unique intersectional perspective to her research in stimulus equivalence, feminism, racism, and other areas of social justice in the Brazilian context.
Contact:
tahcitammizael@gmail.com
https://www.springer.com/journal/42822/updates/23543348
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 1.5 Ethics/Cultural
IBAO: 1.5 Cultural/Ethic
QABA: 1.5 Ethics
Articles Referenced:
Carvalho, A.A.S., Mizael, T.M. & Sampaio, A.A.S. (2022). Racial Prejudice and Police Stops: A Systematic Review of the Empirical Literature. Behavior Analysis Practice, 15, 1213–1220. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-021-00578-4
de Sousa, V.P., Mizael, T.M. & de Rose, J.C. (2022). Variables involved in the acquisition and maintenance of racial aggression and its victims’ reactions. Behavior Analysis Practice, 15, 1151–1160. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-022-00696-7
Mizael, T.M. (2021). Behavior Analysis and Feminism: Contributions From Brazil. Behavior and Social Issues, 30, 481–494. https://doi.org/10.1007/s42822-021-00067-x
Mizael, T.M., Coelho, C.L., Rodrigues, W.C. et al. (2021). Racial Issues and Behavior Analysis: Experiences and Contributions From Brazil. Behavior and Social Issues, 30, 495–513. https://doi.org/10.1007/s42822-021-00071-1
Mizael, T.M., de Almeida, J.H., Silveira, C.C. et al. (2016). Changing Racial Bias by Transfer of Functions in Equivalence Classes. Psychological Record, 66, 451–462. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40732-016-0185-0
The Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Referenced:
Victoria Suarez: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-21-the-effects-of-empathy-training-on-racial-bias-and-other-research-from-dr-victoria-suarez-phd-bcba-d
Natalia Baires: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-26-smashing-the-patriarchy-a-conversation-about-sexism-and-privilege-in-behaviour-analysis-with-dr-natalia-baires-phd-bcba-d
Val Saini: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-27-translational-research-digeorge-syndrome-and-a-little-dash-of-metacontingencies-with-valdeep-saini-phd-bcba-d
Links:
St Mary’s Residential School - Kenora Ontario: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder-bay/st-marys-residential-school-1.6716724#:~:text=the%20release%20said.-,St.,died%20while%20attending%20the%20school
Institute For Urban Education at The University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee: https://uwm.edu/education/institute-urban-edu
KABAS: https://www.kalamazooschool.org/about-us
Scientific Framework For Compassion and Social Justice: https://www.amazon.com/Scientific-Framework-Compassion-Social-Justice/dp/0367676184
Interview on Shades of ABA: https://anchor.fm/shadesofaba/episodes/Run-Me-My-Money-Income-Inequality-e16s4bh/a-a6favt2
Curtis Jones: https://uwm.edu/officeofresearch/people/jones-curtis
Linda Darling-Hammond: https://ed.stanford.edu/faculty/ldh

Friday Jan 20, 2023
Episode 65: AAC Advocacy with Tiffany Joseph of Nigh Functioning Autism
Friday Jan 20, 2023
Friday Jan 20, 2023
In Episode 65, Ben chats with Tiffany Joseph, producer of Nigh Functioning Autism. Tiffany is a mom to three children two of whom are diagnosed with autism and ADHD. Tiffany, who is Autistic herself, is also a user of Augmentative and Alternate Communication (AAC) and does a lot of advocacy work for both Autistics and AAC users. In this episode, Tiffany communicates almost entirely using her speech-generating AAC device and none of the pauses where Tiffany is typing on her device are removed from the recording so listeners can understand what communication with an AAC user is really like. We discuss important issues like AAC Trauma, oralism, and the presumption of competence in all users.
The video recording of this episode will also be published on YouTube so listeners can experience the full interaction. The secret words will not be on the videos so it's suggested that you play the audio track while watching the video on mute.
Here's the link to the video: https://youtu.be/5qAJtBGZzKA
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 2.0 Learning
IBAO: 2.0 Cultural
QABA: 2.0 Trauma-Informed Care
Contact Tiffany:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nigh.functioning.autism
Linktree: https://lnk.bio/autism
The Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Referenced:
Episode 45 - Tiffany Hammond: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-45-advocating-for-systemic-change-with-tiffany-hammond-of-fidgets-fries
Episode 47 - Katie Rinald: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode47-toilet-training-what-s-the-point-with-dr-katie-rinald
Web Links:
Tiffany Hammond's Book - A Day With No Words: https://a.co/d/9jQw3QB
Dynavox: https://us.tobiidynavox.com
Proloquo: https://www.assistiveware.com/products/proloquo
Alex Magnussen TedxTalk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP470cMTBFM

Friday Jan 06, 2023
Episode 63: Equity and Systems Change With Dr. Noor Syed, Ph.D., BCBA-D
Friday Jan 06, 2023
Friday Jan 06, 2023
In Episode 63, Ben chats with Noor Syed, Ph.D., BCBA-D. Dr. Syed discusses her work developing sustainable systems locally with a fantastic ABA program at SUNY Empire State College where she has applied concepts from universal design and positive behaviour interventions and supports globally through the Anderson Centre disseminating behaviour analysis worldwide.
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 1.5 Ethics
IBAO: 1.5 Cultural/Ethics
QABA: 1.5 Ethics
Contact Dr. Syed:
Noor.Syed@esc.edu
The Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Referenced:
Episode 9 - Adair Cardon: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-9-behaviour-analysis-in-senegal-with-adair-cardon-ms-bcba
Episode 49 - Dr. Nicole Hollins: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-49-free-appropriate-public-education-for-all-students-the-role-of-behavior-analysts-in-public-schools-with-dr-nicole-hollins
Episode 56: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-56-supporting-autistic-children-in-low-resource-settings-with-james-lee-phd-bcba-d
Web Links:
The Global Autism Project: https://skillcorps.globalautismproject.org
Anderson International: https://www.andersoncenterforautism.org/international
SUNY Empire State College ABA Program: https://www.esc.edu/graduate-studies/graduate-degrees/education-programs/ms-applied-behavior-analysis/
Len Pierre Consulting: https://www.lenpierreconsulting.com
Articles Referenced:
Hilton, J., Syed, N., Weiss, M.J. et al. Initiatives to Address Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Within a Higher Education ABA Department. Behav. Soc. Iss. 30, 58–81 (2021). https://doi.org/10.1007/s42822-021-00082-y

Thursday Dec 29, 2022
Episode 62: Addressing Racial Bias in Education with May Beaubrun, M.Ed., BCBA, LBA
Thursday Dec 29, 2022
Thursday Dec 29, 2022
In Episode 62, Ben chats with May Beaubrun on the topic of diversity, equity, and inclusion in the education system. May discusses the history of education in America going back over 400 years and how many of these systems are still active today. She tells us about how to achieve cultural responsivity in schools and takes a deep dive into disproportionality.
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 2.0 Ethics
IBAO: 2.0 Cultural/Ethics
QABA: 2.0 Ethics
The Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Referenced:
Episode 49 - Nicole Hollins: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-49-free-appropriate-public-education-for-all-students-the-role-of-behavior-analysts-in-public-schools-with-dr-nicole-hollins
Web Links:
eCornell DEI Course: https://ecornell.cornell.edu/certificates/leadership-and-strategic-management/diversity-equity-and-inclusion
New Heart New Life by Chriseline Beaubrun: https://www.amazon.ca/New-Heart-Life-Chriseline-Beaubrun/dp/1640797173
Culturally Responsive Tiered Fidelity Inventory: https://www.pbis.org/resource/integrated-tiered-fidelity-inventory-companion-guide
Questions To Ask When Developing Culturally Responsive Curricula: https://www.amle.org/12-questions-to-ask-when-designing-culturally-and-historically-responsive-curriculum
Articles Referenced:
Sylvain, M.M., Knochel, A.E., Gingles, D. et al. ABA While Black: The Impact of Racism and Performative Allyship on Black Behaviorists in the Workplace and on Social Media. Behavior Analysis Practice, 15, 1126–1133 (2022). https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-022-00694-9

Friday Dec 16, 2022
Episode 60: Gender Identity and Expression with Janani Vaidya, M.S., BCBA
Friday Dec 16, 2022
Friday Dec 16, 2022
In Episode 60, Ben chats with Janani Vaidya (they/them). Janani is a behaviour scientist teaching at National Louis University and a member of Dr. Emily Sandoz's contextual science research group. They discuss all things related to gender diversity including gender privilege, gender fluidity, advocacy and affirmation, program issues, unwilling parents, gender exploration under aversive control and so much more!
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 1.5 Ethics
IBAO: 1.5 Cultural/Ethics
QABA: 1.5 DEI
The Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Referenced:
Episode 46 - Rocco Catrone: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-46-using-relational-frame-theory-to-tackle-stigma-toward-persons-with-disabilities-with-dr-rocco-catrone
Web Links:
Janani's ResearchGate Profile: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Janani-Vaidya/research
Emily Sandoz ACT Lab: https://contextualscience.org/louisiana_contextual_science_research_group_univer
Jen Ashlee - Indigenous Behaviour Consultant: https://www.ravenwinged.com
Shane Spiker on Sexual Offenders: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339191299_Sex_Offending_Behaviors_and_Adults_A_Look_at_Prevention_and_Intervention
Barb Gross: https://www.sexedcontinuinged.com/about
The International Behavior Analyst Organization: https://theibao.com

Tuesday Nov 15, 2022
Tuesday Nov 15, 2022
In this episode, I chat with the late Dr. Lyz Hughes-Fong about all things cultural (competence, humility, sensitivity, awareness, and understanding). We discuss diversity trends in behavior analysis and suggestions for moving forward.
It is with extreme sadness and sorrow that we share the passing of our very dear friend and colleague, Dr. Elizabeth “Lyz” Hughes Fong on February 29, 2024. Dr. Hughes Fong’s pivotal work in cultural competency and humility sparked a movement that has forever shaped the field of behavior analysis toward increased diversity, equity, and inclusion.
Lyz was an active member of St. John Chrysostom Church and The Springhaven Club in Wallingford.
Lyz was a shining light. Her work and its impact will forever be part of our history and growth. But most importantly, her kind, thoughtful, selfless, and warm spirit will forever be part of our hearts. She had a way of fostering genuine human connection; she brought people together and forged long-lasting friendships that will endure in her absence.
Lyz is survived by a husband, parents, sister, and a daughter. She was deeply dedicated to her child's happiness, education, and well-being. In lieu of flowers, donations to support the higher education of Dr. Fong's daughter are appreciated.
On behalf of her husband and family, thank you! Please consider donating to the Go Fund Me link below.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/dr-elizabeth-hughes-fong
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 1.5 Ethics
IBAO: 1.5 Cultural/Ethics
QABA: 1.5 DEI
The Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Referenced:
Episode 37: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-37-the-realities-of-autism-in-first-nations-communities-in-canada-with-grant-bruno-phd-candidate
Episode 42: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-42-a-deep-dive-into-the-inequities-professorship-and-authorship-in-behaviour-analysis-with-dr-anita-li-phd-bcba-d
Episode 43: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-42-family-centred-positive-behaviour-support-with-dr-joseph-lucyshyn-phd-bcba-d-part-1
Other Podcast Episodes Referenced:
https://www.abainsidetrack.com/get-ceus/episode-104-culturally-competent-assessment
Articles Referenced:
Fong, E. H., & Tanaka, S. (2013). Multicultural alliance of behavior analysis standards for cultural competence in behavior analysis. International Journal of Behavioral Consultation and Therapy, 8(2), 17–19. https://doi.org/10.1037/h0100970
Fong, E. H., Catagnus, R. M., Brodhead, M. T., et al. (2016). Developing the cultural awareness skills of behavior analysts. Behavior Analysis Practice, 9, 84–94. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-016-0111-6
Fong, E. H., Ficklin, S., & Lee, H. Y. (2017). Increasing cultural understanding and diversity in applied behavior analysis. Behavior Analysis: Research and Practice, 17(2), 103–113.

Friday Aug 05, 2022
Friday Aug 05, 2022
In this episode, Ben chats with Anita Li, Ph.D., BCBA-D, about her research on the status of women in behaviour analysis in terms of pay equity, publishing, and more. This leads to a conversation about her article on solidarity among non-Black people of colour in promoting racial equity.
Correction: In the last 30 minutes of this episode Ben mentions recording this episode in January 2020. The episode was actually recorded January 2022.
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 2.0 Ethics
IBAO: 2.0 Ethics/Cultural
QABA: 2.0 Ethics/DEI
Show Notes:
Shades of ABA - Anita Li's Interview: https://anchor.fm/shadesofaba/episodes/Divided-We-Fall-e18i241
Beautiful Humans Podcast: https://anchor.fm/beautiful-humans
Stamped From The Beginning by Ibram X. Kendi: https://www.amazon.ca/Stamped-Beginning-Definitive-History-National/dp/1568585985/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2AF5SLRBX07CE&keywords=stamped+from+the+beginning&qid=1659134275&s=books&sprefix=stamped+from+%2Cstripbooks%2C183&sr=1-1
How To Be Antiracist by Ibram X. Kendi: https://www.amazon.ca/How-Be-Antiracist-Ibram-Kendi/dp/0525509283/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2W47EPRWRCXVW&keywords=how+to+be+an+antiracist&qid=1659134318&s=books&sprefix=how+to+be+%2Cstripbooks%2C171&sr=1-1
The Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Referenced:
Episode 26: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-26-smashing-the-patriarchy-a-conversation-about-sexism-and-privilege-in-behaviour-analysis-with-dr-natalia-baires-phd-bcba-d
Episode 27: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-27-translational-research-digeorge-syndrome-and-a-little-dash-of-metacontingencies-with-valdeep-saini-phd-bcba-d
Articles Referenced:
Ayllon, T., & Michael, J. (1959). The psychiatric nurse as a behavioral engineer. Journal of the Experimental Analysis of Behavior, 2(4), 323–334. https://doi.org/10.1901/jeab.1959.2-323
Li, A., Curiel, H., Pritchard, J., & Poling, A. (2018). Participation of women in behavior analysis research: Some recent and relevant data. Behavior Analysis in Practice, 11(2), 160–164. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-018-0211-6
Li, A., Gravina, N., Pritchard, J. K., & Poling, A. (2019). The gender pay gap for behavior analysis faculty. Behavior Analysis in Practice, 12(4), 743–746. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-019-00347-4
Li, A. (2021). Solidarity: The role of non-black people of color in promoting racial equity. Behavior Analysis in Practice, 14, 549–553. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-020-00498-9
Rotta, K., Li, A., Curiel, E. S. L. et al. (2022). Women in behavior analysis: A review of the literature. Behavior Analysis in Practice, 15, 592–607. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-021-00642-z