Education and Schools

Content Warning: In this episode we dive deep into trauma in Indigenous communities including the atrocities that occurred at residential boarding schools.  If you are in crisis or struggling at any level please call or text 988 in the USA: 
Your mental health and wellness is a priority. Native American,  Indian, Indigenous, and Alaska Native communities are placed at a higher risk due to historical trauma, and compounding discrimination and oppression, in conjunction with a lack of investment into supportive resources. Below, you will find tips and resources to support yourself, a loved one, and other members of Native American, Indian, Indigenous, and Alaska Native communities.
If you need support, you can call, text, or chat with 988. We are available 24/7. 988 works to ensure that all people have access to the support and resources reflective of their own needs. We are always here for you.
Those in Canada can call the Indian Residential School Survivors crisis line 24/7 at 1-800-721-0066 
Show notes
An enrolled member of the Assiniboine-Sioux Tribes of the Fort Peck Reservation and a descendant of the Absentee Shawnee Tribe of Oklahoma, Dr. Maegan Rides At The Door, LCPC has served as the National Native Children’s Trauma Center Director since 2015. Maegan utilizes her knowledge in culturally trauma responsive care to provide training and technical assistance with a wide variety of systems of care including but not limited to schools, child welfare, juvenile justice, and healthcare. She has been central to the design and implementation of trauma-responsive systems of care with tribal, private, federal, and state partners; the implementation of cross-system youth suicide prevention programming; and the expansion of child advocacy centers’ capacity to meet the needs of tribal communities.
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 1.5 Ethics
IBAO: 1.5 Cultural/Ethics
QABA: 1.5 Trauma-Informed Care
 
Contact:
Dr. Maegan Rides At The Door
maegan.ridesatthedoor@mso.umt.edu 
https://www.nnctc.org/who-we-are
 
The Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Referenced:
Mark Standing Eagle Baez  Episode
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-111-the-sweetgrass-method-a-culturally-responsive-approach-among-american-indianalaska-native-peoples-with-dr-mark-standing-eagle-baez/
Grant Bruno Episode
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-37-the-realities-of-autism-in-first-nations-communities-in-canada-with-grant-bruno-phd-candidate/
Evan Auguste Episode
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-98-black-liberation-psychology-a-conversation-with-dr-evan-auguste/
 
Links:
National Native Children’s Trauma Center at the University of Montana
https://www.nnctc.org/
Film with Grant Bruno
https://aidecanada.ca/resources/learn/asd-id-core-knowledge/the-gift-of-being-different
One in Ten Podcast: What’s Culture Got to Do With It? Everything, with Maegan Rides At The Door, Ph.D., LCPC
Season 3 Episode 14 October 8, 2021
https://oneintenpodcast.org/episodes/whats-culture-got-to-do-with-it-everything/
First Nations Health Authority
https://www.fnha.ca/
First Nations Emergency Services Society
https://www.fness.bc.ca/
Articles Referenced:
Maegan Rides At The Door & Ashley Trautman (2019) Considerations for implementing culturally grounded trauma-informed child welfare services: recommendations for working with American Indian/Alaska Native populations, Journal of Public Child Welfare, 13:3, 368-378, https://doi.org/10.1080/15548732.2019.1605014
Rides At The Door, Maegan, and Sidney Shaw. 2023. "The Other Side of the ACEs Pyramid: A Healing Framework for Indigenous Communities" International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health 20, no. 5: 4108. https://doi.org/10.3390/ijerph20054108
 
 

In Episode 108 Ben chats with Dr. Naima Bhana Lopez, an assistant professor of special education and board-certified behavior analyst doctoral (BCBA-D) at Niagara University in Lewiston, NY.  Dr. Lopez's intersecting identities as a Panamanian, Indian, and Muslim provide the foundation for her passion for promoting equity and diversity in special education and applied behavior analysis.
Continuing Education Credits (https://www.cbiconsultants.com/shop)
BACB: 1.5 EthicsIBAO: 1.5 Cultural/EthicsQABA: 1.5 Ethics
Contact:
Naima Bhana
https://nbphd.com/
https://www.instagram.com/dr.naimabl/
Articles Referenced:
Bhana, N., Rangel, G., & Raulston, T.J. (2023). Barriers and facilitators to services for individuals with disabilities in the Republic of Panama. Journal of International Special Needs Education.
Links: 
SMILE Canada 
https://www.smilecan.org/
Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Referenced:
Evan Auguste Episode
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-98-black-liberation-psychology-a-conversation-with-dr-evan-auguste/
Malika Pritchett Episode
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-83-the-ethics-of-research-applying-a-human-rights-and-social-justice-lens-with-dr-malika-pritchett/
Naomi Tachera Episode
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-64-culture-based-education-with-naomi-k-tachera-ma-bcba-lba/
Behaviour Analysis in Ghana and Nigeria
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-91-behaviour-analysis-in-ghana-and-nigeria-with-josephine-akure-and-joy-oviojie/

Episode 107 is a deep dive into school psychology, education, and academia through an Indigenous lens with the only Indigenous school psychology professor on Turtle Island,  Dr. Lisa Aguilar Ph.D, NCSP,  and two Indigenous doctoral students in school psychology, Bryanna Kinlicheene and Wamnuga Win (Kiva Sam).  
Dr. Aguilar is an Indigenous (Enrolled member of MHA Nation, Oglala & Hunkpapa Lakota, Chicanx) woman, relative and Assistant Professor in the Department Educational Psychology at the University of Minnesota
Bryanna is a Diné (Navajo) woman, and was born to the land of the Diné Nation. She is of the Water’s Edge People Clan, born for the Honey Combed Rock People Clan. Her maternal grandfather is of the Coyote Pass Clan, and her paternal grandfather’s clan is the Bitter Water People.
Wamnuga Win  (Kiva Sam) is a citizen of the Oglala Sioux Tribe on the Pine Ridge Indian  Reservation in South Dakota. 
 
Continuing Education Credits (https://www.cbiconsultants.com/shop)
BACB: 1.5 EthicsIBAO: 1.5 Cultural/EthicsQABA: 1.5 Ethics
Contact:
Lisa Aguilar
https://www.cehd.umn.edu/edpsych/people/aguilarl/
Links:
Carol Robinson-Zanartu
https://education.sdsu.edu/directory/carol-robinson-zanartu
Concerned Student 1590
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/09/12/administrators-students-and-activists-take-stock-three-years-after-2015-missouri
NASP Podcast with Lisa and Bryanna
https://apps.nasponline.org/resources-and-publications/podcasts/player.aspx?id=351
Indigenous Youth in Schools Article
Aguilar, LN, Shearin, J, Wamnuga-Win (Sam, K), & Mojica, K. Indigenous youth in schools: Consequences of colonialism and advocating for a better future (2021). National Association of School Psychologists Communique 50 (1) pp. 1, 26-30
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/354612052_Indigenous_Youth_in_Schools_Consequences_of_Colonialism_and_Advocating_for_a_Better_Future
Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Referenced:
Mari Cerda
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-106-ancient-wisdom-meets-modern-insights-dr-mari-cerda-s-journey-as-an-indigenous-mestiza-autistic-behavior-analyst/
Naomi Tachera
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-64-culture-based-education-with-naomi-k-tachera-ma-bcba-lba/
 
 

In Episode 90, Ben chats with Dr. Bruce Tinor, a behaviour analyst and school administrator. Bruce shares how he and his amazing staff team started a school for kids with severe behaviour disorders literally from the ground up. At the end of the episode, Bruce talks about how he discovered the Black Applied Behavior Analysts (BABA), the upcoming BABA conference, and his work as vice president of Black Men in Behavior Analysis (BMBA).
 
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 1.5 Learning
IBAO: 1.5 Learning
QABA: 1.5 General 
 
Check out these other awesome podcast interviews with Dr. Tinor:
Behavioral Observations Podcast
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-roles-of-bias-formation-and/id1086413253?i=1000576609085
Thoughts and Rants of a Behavior Analyst
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZh0pVdRBZ4
The Crisis in Education Podcast
https://thecrisisineducationpodcast.buzzsprout.com/1931996/11467017-school-leadership-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-with-principal-and-behavior-analyst-dr-bruce-tinor
 
Behaviour Speak Episodes Referenced:
Jeron Trotman/Black Men in Behavior Analysis (BMBA)
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode79-black-men-in-behavior-analysis-with-jeron-trotman
Adrienne Bradley
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-76-the-next-generation-of-black-leaders-in-behavior-analysis-empowering-success-with-adrienne-bradley-med-bcba-lba

In Episode 75, Ben has the great honour of chatting with Dr. Celeste Malone, President of the National Association School Psychologists (NASP). This conversation dives into Dr. Malone's research in promoting equity and inclusion for racial and ethnic minoritized youth, cultural load in standardized assessments, the parallels between school psychology and behaviour analysis, creating safe professional spaces for Black school psychologists and more. 
 
Contact:
Dr. Celeste Malone
https://profiles.howard.edu/celeste-malone
 
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 1.5 Ethics
IBAO: 1.5 Cultural/Ethics
QABA: 1.5 Ethics
 
Links:
Harlem Renaissance 
https://www.history.com/topics/roaring-twenties/harlem-renaissance
Harlem Hospital
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlem_Hospital_Center
Abyssinian Baptist Church
https://abyssinian.org
The Schomburg Center For Research in Black Culture
https://www.nypl.org/locations/schomburg
Adam Clayton Powell Jr. Boulevard
https://untappedcities.com/2015/11/30/history-of-nyc-streets-adam-clayton-powell-jr-boulevard-seventh-avenue-in-harlem
National Association for School Psychologists 
https://www.nasponline.org
Dr. Deborah Peek Crocket  
https://www.nasponline.org/membership-and-community/nasp-awards-scholarships-and-grants/past-award-recipients/2021-award-recipients/nasp-2021-lifetime-achievement-award-winner-nasp-2021-general-session-remarks
School Psyc Sistahs 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/schoolpsychsistahs
Black School Psychs International
https://www.facebook.com/groups/BlackSchoolPsychs
Bowie State University School Psychology
https://bowiestate.edu/academics/colleges/college-of-education/departments/counseling/frequently-asked-questions/school-psychology.php
Howard University School Psychology
https://gs.howard.edu/school-psychology-phd
Dr. Scott Graves
https://ehe.osu.edu/educational-studies/directory?id=graves.388
 
The Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Referenced:
Nasiah Cirincione-Ulezi
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-67-humilty-compassion-and-reflection-with-dr-nasiah-cirincione-ulezi-and-drjonathan-tarbox
Elizabeth Hughes-Fong
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-53-cultural-competence-in-behaviour-analysis-how-far-have-we-come-with-dr-elizabeth-hughes-fong
 
Research Referenced:
Malone, C. M., Wycoff, K., & Turner, E. A. (2022). Applying a MTSS framework to address racism and promote mental health for racial/ethnic minoritized youth. Psychology in the Schools, 59, 2438– 2452. https://doi.org/10.1002/pits.22606
Council of National Psychological Associations for the Advancement of Ethnic Minority Interests. (2016). Testing and assessment with persons & communities of color. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association. Retrieved from https://www.apa.org/pi/oema
Malone, CM, Ishmail, KZ. (2020). A snapshot of multicultural training in school psychology. Psychology in the Schools, 57, 1022-1039. https://doi.org/10.1002/pits.22392
McCubbin, L. D., Alex, R. M., Bergkamp, J., Malone, C. M., Wang, C. D. C., & Reynolds, A. L. (2023). Returning the colonizers gaze: Critiquing Whiteness in our training programs. Training and Education in Professional Psychology, 17(1), 14–21. https://doi.org/10.1037/tep0000436

In Episode 70, Ben chats with Dr. Casey Dupart.  Casey is a school psychologist, trained K-12 administrator, behaviour analyst, and, certified clinical trauma professional.  They dive into topics like equity, staff burnout, trauma-informed care, psychological safety, generational differences in the workplace, and more all from a systems perspective.  
Check out Casey's upcoming training entitled: Incorporating Cultural Responsiveness Within Schools 
https://mhttcnetwork.org/centers/mountain-plains-mhttc/event/incorporating-cultural-responsiveness-within-schools
Contact:
cdupart@embracingresilience.org
https://www.embracingresilience.org
 
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 1.5 Ethics
IBAO: 1.5 Cultural/Ethics 
QABA: 1.5 Trauma-Informed Care 
 
The Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Referenced:
Grant Bruno: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-37-the-realities-of-autism-in-first-nations-communities-in-canada-with-grant-bruno-phd-candidate/
Nicole Hollins: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-49-free-appropriate-public-education-for-all-students-the-role-of-behavior-analysts-in-public-schools-with-dr-nicole-hollins
 
Links:
Indian Residential School Hotline
https://www.irsss.ca
Story About Recent Grave Uncoverings
https://globalnews.ca/news/9501204/former-alberni-indian-residential-school-children-deaths-tseshaht-first-nation
Port Alberni Residential School Website
https://thechildrenremembered.ca/school-histories/alberni
SHARP Survey
https://www.bach-harrison.com/utahsharpwebtool/Default.aspx
HRx DEI Consulting 
https://hrx.tech
Len Pierre Consulting
https://www.lenpierreconsulting.com
Prolonged Grief Disorder
https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/prolonged-grief-disorder
Tayo Rockson
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/as-told-by-nomads/id910739730
 
 

In Episode 69, Ben chats with Denise Ross-Page, Ph.D., BCBA-D, Margo Uwayo, Ph.D., BCBA, Mya Hernandez, Ph.D., BCBA-D, and Amoy Kito-Hugh, Ph.D., BCBA.  They take a deep dive into how educators can provide culturally responsive instruction, the barriers for marginalized children, literacy, and so much more!
Call For Papers: Literacy and Social Justice: https://www.springer.com/journal/42822/updates/23543348
 
Contact:
Denise Ross
rossde@uwm.edu
Mya Hernandez
mhernandez@lakemichigancollege.edu
Amoy Kito-Hugh
drhughpennie@gmail.co
https://infinitybehavior.com/about-us
Margo Uwayo
uwayomutete@gmail.com
 
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 2.0 Ethics
IBAO: 2.0 Cultural/Ethics 
QABA: 2.0 Ethics
 
Articles Referenced:
Hugh-Pennie, A. K., Hernandez, M., Uwayo, M., Johnson, G., & Ross, D. (2021). Culturally Relevant Pedagogy and Applied Behavior Analysis: Addressing Educational Disparities in PK-12 Schools. Behavior Analysis in Practice, 15(4), 1161–1169. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-021-00655-8
Ladson-Billings, G. (1995). Toward a Theory of Culturally Relevant Pedagogy. American Educational Research Journal, 32(3), 465–491. https://doi.org/10.3102/00028312032003465
 
The Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Referenced:
Grant Bruno  https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-37-the-realities-of-autism-in-first-nations-communities-in-canada-with-grant-bruno-phd-candidate/
Nicole Hollins https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-49-free-appropriate-public-education-for-all-students-the-role-of-behavior-analysts-in-public-schools-with-dr-nicole-hollins/
May Beaubrun https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-62-addressing-racial-bias-in-education-with-may-beaubrun-med-bcba-lba/
 
Links:
St Mary’s Residential School - Kenora Ontario
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder-bay/st-marys-residential-school-1.6716724#:~:text=the%20release%20said.-,St.,died%20while%20attending%20the%20school
Institute For Urban Education at The University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
https://uwm.edu/education/institute-urban-edu/
KABAS
https://www.kalamazooschool.org/about-us
Scientific Framework For Compassion and Social Justice
https://www.amazon.com/Scientific-Framework-Compassion-Social-Justice/dp/0367676184
Interview on Shades of ABA
https://anchor.fm/shadesofaba/episodes/Run-Me-My-Money-Income-Inequality-e16s4bh/a-a6favt2
Curtis Jones
https://uwm.edu/officeofresearch/people/jones-curtis
Linda Darling-Hammond
https://ed.stanford.edu/faculty/ldh
 

In Episode 63, Ben chats with Noor Syed, Ph.D., BCBA-D.  Dr. Syed discusses her work developing sustainable systems locally with a fantastic ABA program at SUNY Empire State College where she has applied concepts from universal design and positive behaviour interventions and supports globally through the Anderson Centre disseminating behaviour analysis worldwide.  
 
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB:  1.5 Ethics
IBAO:  1.5 Cultural/Ethics 
QABA: 1.5 Ethics
 
Contact Dr. Syed:
Noor.Syed@esc.edu
 
The Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Referenced:
Episode 9 - Adair Cardon: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-9-behaviour-analysis-in-senegal-with-adair-cardon-ms-bcba
Episode 49 - Dr. Nicole Hollins: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-49-free-appropriate-public-education-for-all-students-the-role-of-behavior-analysts-in-public-schools-with-dr-nicole-hollins
Episode 56: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-56-supporting-autistic-children-in-low-resource-settings-with-james-lee-phd-bcba-d
 
Web Links:
The Global Autism Project: https://skillcorps.globalautismproject.org
Anderson International: https://www.andersoncenterforautism.org/international
SUNY Empire State College ABA Program: https://www.esc.edu/graduate-studies/graduate-degrees/education-programs/ms-applied-behavior-analysis/
Len Pierre Consulting: https://www.lenpierreconsulting.com
 
Articles Referenced:
Hilton, J., Syed, N., Weiss, M.J. et al. Initiatives to Address Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Within a Higher Education ABA Department. Behav. Soc. Iss. 30, 58–81 (2021). https://doi.org/10.1007/s42822-021-00082-y
 
 

In Episode 62, Ben chats with May Beaubrun on the topic of diversity, equity, and inclusion in the education system. May discusses the history of education in America going back over 400 years and how many of these systems are still active today.  She tells us about how to achieve cultural responsivity in schools and takes a deep dive into disproportionality. 
 
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB:  2.0 Ethics
IBAO: 2.0 Cultural/Ethics 
QABA: 2.0 Ethics
 
The Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Referenced:
Episode 49 - Nicole Hollins: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-49-free-appropriate-public-education-for-all-students-the-role-of-behavior-analysts-in-public-schools-with-dr-nicole-hollins
 
Web Links:
eCornell DEI Course: https://ecornell.cornell.edu/certificates/leadership-and-strategic-management/diversity-equity-and-inclusion
New Heart New Life by Chriseline Beaubrun: https://www.amazon.ca/New-Heart-Life-Chriseline-Beaubrun/dp/1640797173
Culturally Responsive Tiered Fidelity Inventory: https://www.pbis.org/resource/integrated-tiered-fidelity-inventory-companion-guide
Questions To Ask When Developing Culturally Responsive Curricula: https://www.amle.org/12-questions-to-ask-when-designing-culturally-and-historically-responsive-curriculum
 
Articles Referenced:
Sylvain, M.M., Knochel, A.E., Gingles, D. et al. ABA While Black: The Impact of Racism and Performative Allyship on Black Behaviorists in the Workplace and on Social Media. Behavior Analysis Practice, 15, 1126–1133 (2022). https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-022-00694-9

In Episode 49 Ben talks with Nicole Hollins, Ph.D., BCBA-D, about her work towards equitable multi-tiered positive behavioural interventions and supports in school settings.  We also dive into her doctoral dissertation, which focused on improving the effectiveness of online instructional procedures.  In the last quarter of the episode, we pivot to a discussion of her excellent article comparing client mistreatment to police brutality. 
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 1.5 Ethics
IBAO: 1.5 Cultural/Ethics
QABA: 1.5 Ethics
 
General Information:
Dr. Nicole Hollins:
https://www.edbeeconsultations.com
https://lifespan.ku.edu/people/nicole-hollins
 
Show Notes:
First Voices: https://www.firstvoices.com
First Voices App: https://www.firstvoices.com/content/apps 
Juniper Gardens: https://juniper.ku.edu/juniper-home  
ABA Inside Track Cody Morris Interview: https://www.abainsidetrack.com/home/2021/7/28/episode-174-police-brutality 
 
The Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Referenced:
Episode 14: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-14-do-we-really-need-to-sit-on-santa-s-lap-body-autonomy-consent-sex-toys-and-lube-with-landa-fox-ma-bcba-cshe
Episode 26: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-26-smashing-the-patriarchy-a-conversation-about-sexism-and-privilege-in-behaviour-analysis-with-dr-natalia-baires-phd-bcba-d
 
Articles Referenced:
Dr. Hollins’ Thesis: https://www.proquest.com/openview/096d1c1e63a0509417f6a4bd49dfc79c/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=18750&diss=y 
Morris, C., Hollins, N.A. (2021). On the uncanny similarities between police brutality and client mistreatment. Behavior Analysis in Practice. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-021-00576-6
Stevenson, N.A., VanLone, J. & Barber, B.R. (2020). A commentary on the misalignment of teacher education and the need for classroom behavior management skills. Education and Treatment of Children, 43, 393–404. https://doi.org/10.1007/s43494-020-00031-1