The Behaviour Speak Podcast
Episodes

Friday Oct 07, 2022
Friday Oct 07, 2022
In Episode 49 Ben talks with Nicole Hollins, Ph.D., BCBA-D, about her work towards equitable multi-tiered positive behavioural interventions and supports in school settings. We also dive into her doctoral dissertation, which focused on improving the effectiveness of online instructional procedures. In the last quarter of the episode, we pivot to a discussion of her excellent article comparing client mistreatment to police brutality.
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 1.5 Ethics
IBAO: 1.5 Cultural/Ethics
QABA: 1.5 Ethics
General Information:
Dr. Nicole Hollins:
https://www.edbeeconsultations.com
https://lifespan.ku.edu/people/nicole-hollins
Show Notes:
First Voices: https://www.firstvoices.com
First Voices App: https://www.firstvoices.com/content/apps
Juniper Gardens: https://juniper.ku.edu/juniper-home
ABA Inside Track Cody Morris Interview: https://www.abainsidetrack.com/home/2021/7/28/episode-174-police-brutality
The Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Referenced:
Episode 14: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-14-do-we-really-need-to-sit-on-santa-s-lap-body-autonomy-consent-sex-toys-and-lube-with-landa-fox-ma-bcba-cshe
Episode 26: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-26-smashing-the-patriarchy-a-conversation-about-sexism-and-privilege-in-behaviour-analysis-with-dr-natalia-baires-phd-bcba-d
Articles Referenced:
Dr. Hollins’ Thesis: https://www.proquest.com/openview/096d1c1e63a0509417f6a4bd49dfc79c/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=18750&diss=y
Morris, C., Hollins, N.A. (2021). On the uncanny similarities between police brutality and client mistreatment. Behavior Analysis in Practice. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-021-00576-6
Stevenson, N.A., VanLone, J. & Barber, B.R. (2020). A commentary on the misalignment of teacher education and the need for classroom behavior management skills. Education and Treatment of Children, 43, 393–404. https://doi.org/10.1007/s43494-020-00031-1

Friday Aug 05, 2022
Friday Aug 05, 2022
In this episode, Ben chats with Anita Li, Ph.D., BCBA-D, about her research on the status of women in behaviour analysis in terms of pay equity, publishing, and more. This leads to a conversation about her article on solidarity among non-Black people of colour in promoting racial equity.
Correction: In the last 30 minutes of this episode Ben mentions recording this episode in January 2020. The episode was actually recorded January 2022.
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 2.0 Ethics
IBAO: 2.0 Ethics/Cultural
QABA: 2.0 Ethics/DEI
Show Notes:
Shades of ABA - Anita Li's Interview: https://anchor.fm/shadesofaba/episodes/Divided-We-Fall-e18i241
Beautiful Humans Podcast: https://anchor.fm/beautiful-humans
Stamped From The Beginning by Ibram X. Kendi: https://www.amazon.ca/Stamped-Beginning-Definitive-History-National/dp/1568585985/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2AF5SLRBX07CE&keywords=stamped+from+the+beginning&qid=1659134275&s=books&sprefix=stamped+from+%2Cstripbooks%2C183&sr=1-1
How To Be Antiracist by Ibram X. Kendi: https://www.amazon.ca/How-Be-Antiracist-Ibram-Kendi/dp/0525509283/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2W47EPRWRCXVW&keywords=how+to+be+an+antiracist&qid=1659134318&s=books&sprefix=how+to+be+%2Cstripbooks%2C171&sr=1-1
The Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Referenced:
Episode 26: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-26-smashing-the-patriarchy-a-conversation-about-sexism-and-privilege-in-behaviour-analysis-with-dr-natalia-baires-phd-bcba-d
Episode 27: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-27-translational-research-digeorge-syndrome-and-a-little-dash-of-metacontingencies-with-valdeep-saini-phd-bcba-d
Articles Referenced:
Ayllon, T., & Michael, J. (1959). The psychiatric nurse as a behavioral engineer. Journal of the Experimental Analysis of Behavior, 2(4), 323–334. https://doi.org/10.1901/jeab.1959.2-323
Li, A., Curiel, H., Pritchard, J., & Poling, A. (2018). Participation of women in behavior analysis research: Some recent and relevant data. Behavior Analysis in Practice, 11(2), 160–164. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-018-0211-6
Li, A., Gravina, N., Pritchard, J. K., & Poling, A. (2019). The gender pay gap for behavior analysis faculty. Behavior Analysis in Practice, 12(4), 743–746. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-019-00347-4
Li, A. (2021). Solidarity: The role of non-black people of color in promoting racial equity. Behavior Analysis in Practice, 14, 549–553. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-020-00498-9
Rotta, K., Li, A., Curiel, E. S. L. et al. (2022). Women in behavior analysis: A review of the literature. Behavior Analysis in Practice, 15, 592–607. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-021-00642-z

Thursday Jun 30, 2022
Thursday Jun 30, 2022
In this episode, Ben chats with Marija Čolić, Ph.D., BCBA, about her research in Serbia and the US on stigma for Autistic folks and other disabilities. They then discuss her recent paper on Black caregivers perspectives on racism in autism services.
Check out Marija's newly published article here!
Čolić, M. (2025). Overcoming stigma in neurodiversity: Toward stigma-informed ABA practice. Behavior Analysis in Practice, Advance online publication. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-025-01064-x
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 2.0 Ethics
IBAO: 2.0 Cultural/Ethics
QABA: 2.0 DEI/Ethics
General Information:
Dr. Marija Čolić: https://coe.hawaii.edu/sped/directory/colic
Show Notes:
Anderson Center for Autism International Program: https://www.andersoncenterforautism.org/international
The Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Referenced:
Episode 9: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-9-behaviour-analysis-in-senegal-with-adair-cardon-ms-bcba
Episode 21: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-21-the-effects-of-empathy-training-on-racial-bias-and-other-research-from-dr-victoria-suarez-phd-bcba-d
Episode 26: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-26-smashing-the-patriarchy-a-conversation-about-sexism-and-privilege-in-behaviour-analysis-with-dr-natalia-baires-phd-bcba-d
Articles Referenced:
Čolić, M., Araiba, S., Lovelace, T. S., et al. (2021). Black caregivers’ perspectives on racism in ASD services: Toward culturally responsive ABA practice. Behavior Analysis in Practice. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-021-00577-5
Čolić, M. (2021). Clarification of stigma concepts in research with families of individuals with neurodevelopmental disabilities. International Journal of Developmental Disabilities. https://doi.org/10.1080/20473869.2021.1989978
Čolić, M., Dababnah, S., & Milačić-Vidojević, I. (2021). A model of internalized stigma in parents of individuals with disabilities. International Journal of Developmental Disabilities. DOI: 10.1080/20473869.2021.1924032
Čolić, M., & Milačić-Vidojević, I. (2021). Perceived stigma among Serbian parents of children with autism spectrum disorder and children with physical disabilities: Validation of a new instrument. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders, 51, 501–513. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10803-020-04559-4
Čolić, M. & Milačić-Vidojević, I. (2020). Do Serbian parents of children with autism spectrum disorder experience a greater degree of stigma than parents of children with physical disabilities. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marija-Colic/publication/345716613_Do_Serbian_parents_of_children_with_autism_spectrum_disorder_experience_a_greater_degree_of_stigma_than_parents_of_children_with_physical_disabilities/links/5faba2ba299bf18c5b64cb38/Do-Serbian-parents-of-children-with-autism-spectrum-disorder-experience-a-greater-degree-of-stigma-than-parents-of-children-with-physical-disabilities.pdf
Čolić, M., Dababnah, S., Garbarino, N., & Betz, G. (2022). Parental experiences raising children with autism spectrum disorder in Eastern Europe: A scoping review. International Journal of Developmental Disabilities, 68(1), 1–13. https://doi.org/10.1080/20473869.2019.1688931
Green, S. E. (2003). “What do you mean ‘what's wrong with her?’”: Stigma and the lives of families of children with disabilities. Social Science & Medicine, 57(8), 1361–1374.https://doi.org/10.1016/S0277-9536(02)00511-7
Weinstein, J. H., Wilson, K. G., Drake, C. E., et al. (2008). A relational frame theory contribution to social categorization. Behavior and Social Issues, 17, 40–65. https://doi.org/10.5210/bsi.v17i1.406
Podcasts to Check Out:
Beautiful Humans: https://anchor.fm/beautiful-humans
Shades of ABA: https://anchor.fm/shadesofaba

Friday Mar 11, 2022
Episode 30: Interteaching with Dr. Rocío Rosales , Ph.D., BCBA-D
Friday Mar 11, 2022
Friday Mar 11, 2022
In this episode we dive deep into the research of Dr. Rocío Rosales. In the first part of the episode, Dr. Rosales gives us a detailed understanding of Interteaching including its origins, components, and outcomes. In the second half of the episode, Rocío shares her passion project as she works to remove barriers to services for Latino families living in Massachusetts.
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 1.5 Learning & 0.5 Ethics
IBAO: 1.5 Learning & 0.5 Cultural
QABA: 1.5 General & 0.5 DEI
Show Notes:
Rocío Rosales - UMASS Lowell: https://www.uml.edu/fahss/psychology/faculty/rosales-rocio.aspx
ABATEC: https://www.abatec.org
Bloom’s Taxonomy: https://cft.vanderbilt.edu/guides-sub-pages/blooms-taxonomy
Larry Williams: https://www.unr.edu/psychology/faculty/w-larry-williams
Ted Boyce: http://cbsafety.com/contact-us/about
Articles Referenced:
Boyce, T. E., Hineline, P. N. (2002). Interteaching: A strategy for enhancing the user-friendliness of behavioral arrangements in the college classroom. The Behavior Analyst, 25, 215-226. https://doi.org/10.1007/BF03392059
Gayman, C. M., Hammonds, F., & Rost, K. A. (2018). Interteaching in an asynchronous online class. Scholarship of Teaching and Learning in Psychology, 4(4), 231-242. https://doi.org/10.1037/stl0000126
Querol, B. I. D., Rosales, R., & Soldner, J. L. (2015). A comprehensive review of interteaching and its impact on student learning and satisfaction. Scholarship of Teaching and Learning in Psychology, 1(4), 390-411. https://doi.org/10.1037/stl0000048
Rosales, R., & Soldner, J. L. (2018). An Assessment of group size in interteaching. Journal of the Scholarship of Teaching and Learning, 18(2), 105-117. https://doi.org/10.14434/josotl.v18i2.22539
Rosales, R., Leon, A., Serna, R. W., et al. (2021). A first look at applied behavior analysis service delivery to Latino American families raising a child with autism spectrum disorder. Behavior Analysis in Practice, 14, 974-983. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-021-00572-w
Rosales, R., Soldner, J. L., & Crimando, W. (2014). Enhancing the impact of quality points in interteaching. Journal of the Scholarship of Teaching and Learning, 14(5), 1-11. https://doi.org/10.14434/josotlv14i5.12746
Rosales, R., Soldner, J. L. & Zhang, L. (2018). An evaluation of the pair discussion component of interteaching. The Psychological Record, 68, 71-79. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40732-018-0269-0

Friday Dec 17, 2021
Friday Dec 17, 2021
This episode features a powerful discussion with Dr. Natalia Baires, Ph.D., BCBA-D on topics like racism and sexism in the field of behaviour analysis.
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 2.5 Ethics
IBAO: 2.5 Cultural/Ethics
QABA: 2.5 Ethics
Show Notes:
The Behaviour Speak Podcast - Episode 9: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-9-behaviour-analysis-in-senegal-with-adair-cardon-ms-bcba
The Behaviour Speak Podcast - Episode 21: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-21-the-effects-of-empathy-training-on-racial-bias-and-other-research-from-dr-victoria-suarez-phd-bcba-d
The Behaviour Speak Podcast - Episode 22: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-22-cultural-competence-with-jessica-bethel-med-bcba
So You Want To Talk About Race - Ijeome Oluo: https://www.amazon.ca/You-Want-Talk-About-Race/dp/1580056776
References:
Baires, N. A. (2020). The cultural adaptation of traditional behavior analytic interventions for Hispanic/Latinx children with autism and the caregivers and siblings who care for them.
Baires, N. A., & Koch, D. S. (2019). The Future Is Female (and Behavior Analysis): A Behavioral Account of Sexism and How Behavior Analysis Is Simultaneously Part of the Problem and Solution. Behavior analysis in practice, 13(1), 253–262. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-019-00394-x
Baires, N. A., Catrone, R., Mayer, B. K. (2021, May 12). On the importance of listening and intercultural communication for actions against racism. PsyArXiv. https://doi.org/10.31234/osf.io/7qa4z
Glenn, S. S. (2004). Individual behavior, culture, and social change. The Behavior Analyst, 27(2), 133-151. https://doi.org/10.1007/BF03393175
Holland, J. G. (1978). Behaviorism: Part of the problem or part of the solution. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 11(1), 163-174. https://doi.org/10.1901/jaba.1978.11-163
LeBlanc, L. A. (2015). My mentors and their Influences on my career. The Behavior Analyst, 38, 237-245. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40614-015-0035-4
Masuda, A. (Ed.). (2014). Mindfulness and acceptance in multicultural competency: A contextual approach to sociocultural diversity in theory and practice. New Harbinger Publications, Inc.
McSweeney, F. K., Donahoe, P., & Swindell, S. (2000). Women in applied behavior analysis. The Behavior Analyst, 23(2), 267-277. https://doi.org/10.1007/BF03392015

Tuesday Oct 05, 2021
Episode 22: Cultural Competence with Jessica Bethel, M.Ed., BCBA
Tuesday Oct 05, 2021
Tuesday Oct 05, 2021
In this episode, Ben chats with Jessica Bethel, a board certified behaviour analyst based in Ontario, Canada. Jessica shares her experiences as a Black behaviour analyst and provides a succinct roadmap with resources to help behaviour analysts build their own cultural competency.
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 1.0 Ethics
IBAO: 1.0 Cultural/Ethics
QABA: 1.0 Ethics
Show Notes:
Rapworkers Assessment Tool: http://rapworkers.com/resources/cultural-competence
Link to File of Resources: Https://m.box.com/shared_item/https%3A%2F%2Frutgers.box.com%2Fs%2Fog8q0vtz5ok541b3hj3c7e9m7a73jak1/view/800101507461
Mohawk College: https://www.mohawkcollege.ca/ce/programs/community-services-and-support/autism-and-behavioural-science-164
ONTABA: https://ontaba.org
International Behavior Analysis Organization: https://ibaboard.com
Autism Ontario: https://www.autismontario.com
Ontario Autism Provider List: https://oapproviderlist.ca
The Autism and/or Intellectual Disability Knowledge Exchange Network: https://aidecanada.ca
The Behaviour Speak Podcast episode with Danielle Reid: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-1-racism
Jessica Bethel:
Email: Jessica.Bethel4@gmail.com
Link to the article Jessica wrote: https://www.autismontario.com/news/racism-canada-acknowledge-reflect-act

Friday Sep 24, 2021
Friday Sep 24, 2021
In this episode, Ben connects with Dr. Victoria Suarez on some of her recent publications in the areas of ACT, RFT, and Collaboration.
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 1.5 Ethics
IBAO: 1.5 Cultural/Ethics
QABA: 1.5 DEI
Show Notes:
Bowman, K. S., Suarez, V. D. & Weiss, M. J. (2021). Standards for interprofessional collaboration in the treatment of individuals with autism. Behavior Analysis in Practice. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-021-00560-0
Suarez, V.D., Najdowski, A.C., Persicke, A. et al. A Laboratory Evaluation of the Effects of Empathy Training on Racial Bias. Psychol Rec (2024). https://doi.org/10.1007/s40732-024-00606-z
Suarez, V. D., Moon, E. I. & Najdowski, A. C. (2021). Systematic review of acceptance and commitment training components in the behavioral intervention of individuals with autism and developmental disorders. Behavior Analysis in Practice. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-021-00567-7
Pepperdine University: https://onlinegrad.pepperdine.edu/psychology/leadership-and-faculty/victoria-castillo

Friday Mar 19, 2021
Friday Mar 19, 2021
In this episode Ben chats with Maleshwane Mauco, a board-certified behaviour analyst from Botswana in southern Africa. Maleshwane shares her experiences going to school in the US and practicing in Ireland, the Middle East, and Africa navigating different cultures. This culturally diverse journey had her writing programs to herd goats and how to call a butler.
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 1.0 Ethics
IBAO: 1.0 Ethics/Cultural
QABA: 1.0 DEI
Show Notes:
May Institute: https://www.mayinstitute.org
New England Center for Children: https://www.necc.org
Northeastern University ABA Program: https://www.northeastern.edu/graduate/program/master-of-science-in-applied-behavior-analysis-628
D.A.N. (Defeat Autism Now): https://quackwatch.org/consumer-education/nonrecorg/dan
Apartheid: https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/history-apartheid-south-africa
Louka Tsami - Telehealth World ABA Project: https://www.uhcl.edu/autism-center/telehealth
Southern Africa Development Community: https://sadc.int
SABA: http://saba.abainternational.org
BACB and Global Certification: https://www.bacb.com/global-certification
IDEA: https://sites.ed.gov/idea

Monday Jan 11, 2021
Monday Jan 11, 2021
In our first episode I speak with Danielle Reid, MSc., BCBA, who shares her personal story of coming to Canada from Trinidad & Tobago in terms of her experiences with racism in both the community at large and within the field of behaviour analysis.
Continuing Education Units (CEUs): https://cbiconsultants.com/shop
BACB: 1.5 Ethics
IBAO: 1.5 Ethics/Cultural
QABA: 1.5 Ethics
Podcast Website:
https://www.behaviourspeak.com
Resources referred to in this episode:
https://www.bacb.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/BACB-Compliance-Code-english_190318.pdf
http://www.internationaltrainingcenterabaafrica.com/BACB_Conduct_Guidelines.pdf
Douglas College DABA program:
https://www.douglascollege.ca/program/atdaba